Fernando Grande-Marlaska

I guess ironic given where he came from, isn't it?

Yes, but the current Minister of Interior, Grande-Marlaska, he was seen as a very refreshing figure for s- in Spanish political life under Aznar, because he was like...

He, he was like the first relevant judge, uh, of the new generation of career judges that had launched a wide range investigation and was able to convict several members of ETA to stop many of ETA's operations, to conduct very successful judicial investigations into ETA.

He was also able to tackle ETA's political infrastructure successfully, its financing.

You see-

Uh, could you mention his name again?

Grande-Marlaska, who is currently the Minister of Interior, right? And-

Under Sanchez