Fernand Gobet
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Oct 15, 2026
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So why is the first group so much bigger? Why does almost everyone sprint to the answer? Because of something called the Einstellung effect, and it's more unsettling than it sounds.
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Researchers Mariam Bilalic, Peter McLeod, and Fernand Gobet set chess players puzzles that contained two solutions.
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One familiar and decent.
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One unfamiliar and much better.
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Your vision changes over time.
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By the way, do you know this book, by the way, by Fernand Gobet, The Psychology of Chess? It's a very, very small book, beautiful, like a short summary of what we know in terms of science.
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And of course, Fernand Gobet is a big researcher, international master as well.
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And Do you remember how he actually measured number of chunks in masters? Do you actually recall how he was measuring like how do you even measure how many chunks are there for an expert for example or how for example how much information is there in a single chunk in expert's brain? As far as I remember he used this method like they were showing them some board configurations and asking them to remember and setting up on the next board and each time they sort of return their gaze back to gain more information from the first board that was sort of one chunk right the expert looks at the board then it remembers he sets up certain configurations it could be for example fianchetto structure right is a single hole and after it sets the fianchetto structure he returns back again and he gets more information from the board and then he goes back and sets it up again from the memory actually That was actually one smart way to estimate the number of chunks or how much information is there in a single chunk for an expert.
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These are some of the very interesting questions actually.
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Benjamin BalasGUEST
I think that's a really cool idea that I don't think has been explored very deeply.
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It's amazing.
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I think it's also called productions, right? Fernand Gobet calls them productions, affordances.
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And yes, that's still, we need more, more, more effort, more resources, more money to pursue such projects.
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We were almost going to apply, by the way, for this very project with Fernand Gobet, you know? International master from London.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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God of chess research.
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Yeah.
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I mean, of course, you can even, let's say, if you have to follow Fernand Gobet's school of thought, which is, you know, he's a professor, cognitive scientist, also international chess master.
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He says, just take the opening, you know, remove all the pieces from the board, but keep the pawn structure.
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and then gradually put pieces you know put one bishops for both sides play that put one knight to both sides play that you know because pawn structure is usually very stable it remains stable for a long time yes so you can even let's say look at typical king's indian end games you know let's say like vienna kind of end games and then gradually bring more pieces until you reach the opening position you know it's called the competition method by fennel gobe you know again it's It's all about patterns and chunks that you increase the likelihood that you saw that position before.
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Look at the cognitive science here.
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Researchers like Fernand Gobet and Philippe Chasse have heavily critiqued the Dreyfus model precisely because empirical evidence shows that experts do not abandon analytical thinking.
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But those critiques almost always rely on domains with perfectly defined rules.
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They rely on domains where we can actually measure expertise.