You said it was the bridge from the other one, maybe just talk about, was there certain sections that you had to work particularly on that came to fruition or, or was it more or less straightforward?

Part of that clip that you played there, I mean, we had to work, there's a few transitions because there's a lot of contrasts.

So we had to work on a lot of those transitions to the cohesive you know and you could do the thing where you just stop and play the next riff and that that'd be the thing but i think with our music we always want to like you were saying about you know bringing people on a journey you know i don't want to hit bumps on the road i don't want to um you know go on the edge or you know stop dead and start again you know you want

and then yeah we just kind of made a collapse for that outro and i think yes it took a while to get that to kind of get it to transition properly but once once we got that to that outro i think it works really well and uh yeah it's kind of it's a weird like really it's quite creepy i think the whole outro isn't yeah it's a

vocal part yeah for sure yeah haunting and well when you've you've got so much space you know you gotta do something with it so it's you know low there's a lot of repetitions but the guys have this incredible ability just to get all these textures in like we had with the sax and the other track and those little picks that was in the track there i just and there's stuff like sometimes I'm in my own world and I don't hear it and then I hear that back on the record and I was like wow