Ezra Bayda

some other activity, but simply this is the arising of human life.

Ezra Bayda, the 20th century Zen teacher based in California, used to talk about dukkha as the anxious quiver of being.

The anxious quiver of being.

Of course, there is suffering and discomfort that is much stronger, much wilder, almost unbearable.

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And I think we all have them.

And, uh, and I, I think it, it may have been Ezra Bayda who also talked about the secret practice.

Was that him?

I talked about it in the...

I think I talked about it in the Wayseeking Mind by Ezra, uh, Bayda.

I'm not sure if I'm saying that right.

Um, [coughs] the author describes questions you can ask yourself to understand what's motivating us.

Thank you, Gary.

Sure.

I'd love to have that Ezra Bayda, those points that you- I'll, I'll send them to you.

Those are great.