Has he done enough if they fall in love with a quarterback out of this college crop that's coming out that a lot of people are excited about? I don't believe Dart has necessarily done enough to keep them from actually moving on, which is crazy.

I would like to throw something at you.

And what I'm about to say is... like one part absurd and the other part logical.

And we discussed it this morning on sports from like six to 10 here on ESPN.

If the New York giants are within reach of the number one overall pick in the draft within reach.

So what would we like to say is within reach 10 and up because of future picks and darts ability to be traded slash some of their defensive players.

Forget whether the Giants would take a quarterback.

And then also think about the amount of pressure and spotlight he's going to put on himself if he forces his way to New York too.

Why is Canty so down on the G&G?

So, Jason, I have now worked with CeCe for, this is starting my fourth year with him.

And your take you just had was how I felt for year one through year two, maybe.

And then I started to realize, instead of going that route, which you're doing nothing wrong by going that route, I actually did rethink my own opinion.

Because it's more of like, wait, he sees this sport.

He sees the sport.

He's very similar to Tausch in this regard in that, like, they're amazing at seeing the sport.

He got

Why is Canty so down on the G&G?

So, Jason, I have now worked with CeCe for, this is starting my fourth year with him.

And your take you just had was how I felt for year one through year two, maybe.

And then I started to realize, instead of going that route, which you're doing nothing wrong by going that route, I actually did rethink my own opinion.

Because it's more of like, wait, he sees this sport.

He sees the sport.

He's very similar to Tausch in this regard in that, like, they're amazing at seeing the sport.

He got

Maybe we could find somebody that can afford those to come and sponsor the segment.

Well, let me ask you a question.

I was thinking about this just now.

What if I sponsor the segment and then it becomes mine and then I get to look for an advertising partner to sponsor and I keep all proceeds? So in other words, you quote me a rate.

I pay the rate.

Let's make it up.

So let's say you quote me, you know, the friends and family discount.

built I coached you know like the schemes it was all Lane Kiffin stuff that they were doing and they did win big games and he was the guy on the sideline for it now it's all on him though like now it is Pete Golding yeah

Go ahead.

Couple of things.

First of all, first of all, I interviewed Sean Peyton right after that Rams, Saints game, uh, months later.

No, I shouldn't say right after.

Maybe a year or two after I should say, at the Super Bowl.

And I went right at him.

I said, "I don't like the complaining.

Mm-hmm

The floor is yours.

Okay, a couple of things.

First of all, I interviewed Sean Payton right after that Rams-Saints game months later.

No, I should say right after.

Maybe a year or two after, I should say, at the Super Bowl.

And I went right at him.

I said, I don't like the complaining.

I wish the Chicago game was in Minneapolis this Sunday because I'd like to see what Caleb Williams, who has a better offensive line, does against that same scheme because I do think that scheme is a problem for a lot of people.

Go ahead.

Couple of things.

First of all, first of all, I interviewed Sean Peyton right after that Rams Saints game, uh, months later.

No, I shouldn't say right after.

Maybe a year or two after I should say, at the Super Bowl.

And I went right at him.

I said, "I don't like the complaining.

Mm-hmm

a couple of

things.

First of all, I interviewed Sean Payton right after that Rams-Saints game months later.

No, I should say right after.

Maybe a year or two after, I should say, at the Super Bowl.

And I went right at him.

I said, I don't like the complaining.

I wish the Chicago game was in Minneapolis this Sunday because I'd like to see what Caleb Williams, who has a better offensive line, does against that same scheme because I do think that scheme is a problem for a lot of people.

Go ahead.

Couple of things.

First of all, first of all, I interviewed Sean Peyton right after that Rams Saints game, uh, months later.

No, I shouldn't say right after.

Maybe a year or two after I should say, at the Super Bowl.

And I went right at him.

I said, "I don't like the complaining.

I'm not angry

lost.

Why? But you're right.

That is correct.

What you said actually makes a lot of sense.

Right? It was infuriating.

The whole thing last night was so infuriating on so many levels.

Because...

Because of the outcome.

How are you feeling about this season for your pets?

Yeah, I tend to sarcasm, but so I'm going to be honest.

I feel kind of eh.

I don't know.

I don't think they did enough this offseason to think that they can go back to the Super Bowl.

I really don't.

I think they need it at Drushers.

Kyle was just telling me about the Vikings quarterback update.

But I'm just fascinated by this and the fact that it's a division game that could very well have some major playoff implications by season's end.

Yeah, we talked about it this morning because the clip of Kyle Shanahan talking about what day it is is the funniest thing.

And, Tosh, I don't know if you guys operated this way, but what he was talking about was that basically, if I can narrow this down, every single game day he treats as a Sunday game.

and subtract six days to get ready on the seventh day for the game.

And in essence, this is, in his mind, he's like, this is a Sunday, but it's Thursday there, but Friday here, so it's Wednesday here, but Tuesday there.

And you're like, what the hell is he talking about? But it actually, if you really listen, it actually kind of makes sense in the way in which they treat it in terms of, like, everything has to be deemed a Sunday relative to the work week But because Australia, and I've never been to Australia, but it's obviously totally different time zones.

And in terms of why one team does it one way and the other team does it another way, San Francisco's had a few distractions, including whatever that thing that everybody gets hurt as a result of in San Francisco.

Only if Jesse remembers to call you.

So do you think Jalen Hurts takes a step ahead, a step ahead, or a step back?

Absolutely 1,000% a step ahead.

And considering the masses seem to put him at 97th, there's a lot of places to step ahead.

I don't know that there is a star in sports with a better resume that is more disrespected than Jalen Hurts.

Been to the Super Bowl twice.

He's won a Super Bowl.

He won Super Bowl MVP.

Should they be on upset alert?

Mm-hmm.

Like, oh, like, cool.

Like, let's have this Lambeau South, but, like, for what? This is not Holmgren.

It's not even McCarthy.

Like, and I'm...

That wasn't a shot at McCarthy.

That was like he won a Super Bowl.

Uh-huh

Not once the Dolphins traded Quinn Ewers and then cut their other backup quarterback, no.

See, I...

I thought when the Dolphins made the trade of yours that I thought, are they going to be a sneaky like J.J. McCarthy team and just be like, let's roll the dice, or Anthony Richardson.

Kyle McCord seems like a guy in a dream.

If you're going to play out the dream scenario for the – I don't want to say dream scenario because that would be insulting.

The realistic what do they expect scenario.

Malik Willis is good, but not good enough to be the long-term starter.

No.

And I'm

like, what? Clay was into it.

I thought that it's funny.

I had a conversation today with Brian Rowitz, content director, ESPN West Palm.

And he said to me, he goes, boy, Clay was way more into the interview with Theo than he was the press conference.

And I said, I don't think you've watched enough Clay.

He said, what do you mean? I go, that is Clay.

So, yes, we'll move on.

Mm-hmm.

Like, one of the things I can tell you, I don't wanna go too behind the scenes because it's not my show, obviously, but I am a fill-in, right? Let me rephrase.

I have filled in.

The First Take people are like, "Oh, people make stuff up just to go against each other." That is not even remotely true.

Seeing the inside out, it's just not.

Everyone is asked a series of questions separately that you respond to, and then they see the responses.

So, like, let's just say in this case, let's say Jesse put out the email, uh, to Jason and Gary and said, "Who wins Wisconsin, Notre Dame?" And if the two guys have opposite, um, takes, they're more likely to then use that as a topic, but nobody's faking a take 'cause no one knows what the other one is saying.

Mm

Mm-hmm.

Like, one of the things I can tell you, I don't wanna go too behind the scenes 'cause it's not my show, obviously, but I am a fill-in, right? Let me rephrase.

I have filled in.

The first take, people are like, "Oh, people make stuff up just to go against each other." That is not even remotely true.

Seeing the inside out, it's just not.

Everyone is asked a series of questions separately that you respond to, and then they see the responses.

So, like, let's just say in this case, let's say Jesse put out the email, uh, to Jason and Gary and said, "Who wins Wisconsin Notre Dame?" And if the two guys have opposite, um, takes, they are more likely to then use that as a topic, but nobody's faking a take 'cause no one knows what the other one is saying.

Mm-hmm

That's what pissed them off, and that's why they moved along.

I think this is not going to be some combative statement I'm gonna make.

I think this is one of these deals that everyone's gonna look back upon and say, "You know what? I kind of get it from all parties involved," and it was kind of the right move for all parties involved at the time.

In other words, I think the Dallas Cowboys right now would rather have Quinnen Williams, Kenny Clark, and if you think Rashan Gary could be part of that, then sure.

I know it wasn't direct like that.

But indirectly, those are the three replacements for Micah.

And I think the, the Packers would rather have Micah.

Mm.

Be an MVP candidate for your team to propel and be talked about in that division to win it and be contenders in that NFC to fight for a chance to get to the Super Bowl.

I mean, how many man- how many names did you just mention before you got to Jordan Love? When the question is about Micah Parsons' absence, that is the first name that should m- be mentioned.

I understand Jason McCourty knows more football than anyone.

I get that.

But Lucas Van Ness is not the answer to the Micah Parsons question.

Jordan Love is the answer to every question with the Green Bay Packers.

I don't care what question you wanna ask, the answer should be Jordan Love.

Evan, what should we expect? Does this get your juices flowing in August?

Evan, do you go to restaurants and eat by yourself? Because I do think that that is a sign of confidence.

Um, not anymore because just situationally, like, when am I doing that 'cause of my schedule? Plus I have a wife and two kids.

But when I, again, go back to Florida, when I lived in Florida before I got married, there were many times, I played in this basketball game at, like, 7:00 in the morning, and it would be from 7:00 in the morning till 8:00 or 8:30.

I'd get done, shower, and before I'd go into ESPN West Palm, where Jim and I both worked, um, years and years ago, there was a diner on a street kind of, um, perpendicular to the street that I worked on.

And so I'd sit at the diner with a newspaper, a notebook, by myself, cup of coffee, eggs.

I was in heaven.

Hmm

... that are high up." And I was just like, and I, I reached out to somebody.

And I don't know how people can actually fall for it.

I'll tell you how.

Well, I'm not, okay.

All understand, fair critique.

Brian Windhorst, the ESPN NBA reporter, always says on his Hoop Collective podcast, actions over words, right? So if you think about the last few years with this program and specifically Luke Fickle, there's been no actions and no words.

So like, you can't even go actions over words.

It's been no action and no words.

spread, right?

So

I would actually allocate more money to the kicker position than most teams do.

Now, a rookie kicker doesn't mean a bad kicker in any way, shape, or form.

A rookie kicker just simply means It's a rookie kicker.

Thus, as to the amusement park, there could be a roller coaster or it could be the teacups, which are terribly nauseating for me.

I couldn't even go on them.

You know what I want? I want the guarantee of like.

Do you believe, Evan, that Scoble went to the Tigers and said, I prefer to be in Los Angeles because I can sign an extension there before the inevitable lockout comes, and the deal was close enough between the Dodgers and the Brewers, or the offer, rather, was close enough between the Dodgers and the Brewers where the Tigers said, it's not a huge difference, and we should do right by a guy that's given us eight years and two Cy Young, so we're actually going to trade him to his preferred destination rather than the

Did you have a defining moment or season in your life? And I'd love to hear about that.

Yeah, that's a great question.

So I actually found doula work before I found birth work.

So I became a birth doula in 2016, and before that, I was an abortion doula, starting in 2013.

So right after I graduated college, I found out what a doula was and dove into that world, supporting people.

And support work and care work had always just been, like, a part of my, my bones, like, you know, for better or worse.

I think a lot of us, yeah, grew up as caretakers, have just been caretakers in many different ways in our lives, which is why we're called to doula life.

Even the name alone, there's just so much there, and I would love to kinda hear, you know, what brought you to develop Cocoon, and what can you tell us about it? Because I think it is such an incredibly supportive space, and I want more doulas to know about it.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, in games he started.

Um, so by fact, by, by actual fact, for whatever the reason may be, Micah's injuries, his injuries, other opponent, other teams, St- Tucker Kraft, any injuries you want to bring up, by fact, the Green Bay Packers, the last three seasons that Jordan Love has been the starting quarterback, have won nine games in each of those three seasons.

So if you're going to make a prediction as to how many games they win with Jordan Love as the starting quarterback this year, the answer I think would be nine.

Why is that such a bold statement that I am making? That's not to say that they can't win more.

It's also not to say that, you know, Malik Willis won a g- game or two.

Did he not?

Mm-hmm.