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European Train Control System

European Train Control System

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Nov 4, 2026

Gareth DennisHOST
6:34
We have to talk about obsolescence, safety, and safe systems.
Gareth DennisHOST
6:37
Within this section, I've been asked a lot of questions around having analyzed the sequence of events, what's my view on failings in the safety systems that led to the tragedy? How does LZB system, that signaling system, work in practice? What are the procedures if that system fails? How does that system differ from modern ETCS, European Train Control System? What are the main technical differences in speed monitoring, braking supervision, operational safety? How does LZB compare with other train protections in signaling systems used across Europe? And how do I view the fact that the LZB system has crashed 170 times this year? These are some of the questions I've been thrown, and then I'm gonna pick off a few elements of that.
Gareth DennisHOST
7:13
as we push forwards.
Gareth DennisHOST
7:14
So there is a big difference.
Gareth DennisHOST
9:02
that you can do that, you can make that movement.
Gareth DennisHOST
9:05
So it gives you a position basically, a block, if you like, within which that train can sit.
Gareth DennisHOST
9:11
This is basically similar to ETCS, right? The difference really between LZB and ETCS is that The communication with LZB is done through line side cabling, primarily, whereas, and also that the calculations are done at the control center with the system, you know, the track information, the vehicle performance, the timetable, all these things, junction positions, all programmed in to the control center.
Gareth DennisHOST
9:33
Whereas with ETCS, a lot of the calculations are done within the trains onboard computer and the communication is done via GSMR.
Richard BowkerHOST
10:50
for Hamburg.
Richard BowkerHOST
10:50
This has been fitted with Grade 2 automatic train operation, so Grade 2 ATO over ETCS, which means that the train itself has more automated operations than just a standard train fitted with ETCS.
Richard BowkerHOST
11:07
This train is fitted with Grade 2 or GOA 2 ATO automatic train operation over ETCS level 2.
Richard BowkerHOST
11:15
Now that's a semi-automatic train operation standard where the train accelerates, coasts and brakes automatically.
Richard BowkerHOST
11:22
whilst the driver remains in the cab for supervision and intervention if required.
Gareth DennisHOST
34:49
It's in the process of being replaced by the end of this decade.
Gareth DennisHOST
34:52
by European Train Control System, by ETCS.
Gareth DennisHOST
34:55
It is referenced by the European Union Agency for Railways, the ERA, the European Railway Agency, as a Class B train protection system, which means basically like it's not quite at the level of providing the full protection that ETCS does.
Gareth DennisHOST
35:11
And so hence why it's needed to be replaced if it's the isolated system.
Gareth DennisHOST
35:16
But of course, high-speed trains don't get scrapped as soon as you take them off the main line.
Gareth DennisHOST
35:43
In terms of the signaling on this line, this is an article in the International Railway Journal from December 2021, when this train was, when this rail line was theoretically starting the process of having its LZB replaced.
Gareth DennisHOST
36:02
So Thales were awarded the contract, or two contracts, specifically by ADIF, the network rail equivalent in Spain.
Gareth DennisHOST
36:10
The first contract was an 80 million euro contract that was supposed to replace LZB with level 2 ETCS, as well as replace interlockings and update all sorts of stuff, renewal of copper networks that were there to detect fallen objects on the track.
Aglaya SchneiderGUEST
13:55
So that's a great example of what we can do with existing stock and really making it look and feel brand new.
Aglaya SchneiderGUEST
14:05
We have also obviously deployed and tested our ETCS solution on Thameslink, running through the core, really being able on running on the same infrastructure, more trains just with digital signalling solutions.
Aglaya SchneiderGUEST
14:20
So I believe there's one point of getting more new rolling stock into the system and into the market, which is extremely important.
Aglaya SchneiderGUEST
14:28
But there's many other points of things we can do and technology we can offer to do more with what we already have.
Gareth DennisHOST
47:45
There's a preliminary examination that the Rail Action Investigation Branch have picked up from the Rail Industry because they see it as important.
Gareth DennisHOST
47:52
There has been an ETCS wrong side failure in Wales.
Gareth DennisHOST
47:55
That means a failure that could result, you know, that is not, you know, the signal is broken and it goes to green or it goes off, which is assumed as red.
Gareth DennisHOST
48:03
Sorry, signal's broken, it goes to red as a right-side failure, or it goes off and you assume it's red.
Gareth DennisHOST
48:08
No, that's something saying green when it should be red, or the ETCS equivalent on the driver's VDU, visual display unit.
Gareth DennisHOST
48:16
And that's what happened.
Gareth DennisHOST
48:17
The train was beckoned forwards beyond its actual safe position of operation.
Gareth DennisHOST
48:31
Basically, a series of different systems, all with conflicting information about precisely where the train was.
speaker_0HOST
0:24
200 milliseconds is a minor, completely unnoticeable lag on a Zoom call or, you know, loading a cloud application.
speaker_1HOST
0:30
But in the European train control system...
speaker_0HOST
0:32
In ETCS, timing is literally life or death.
speaker_0HOST
0:36
The system relies on continuous real-time communication between the train and the radio block center.
speaker_1HOST
0:41
Ah, I see.
speaker_0HOST
0:42
If that new inline firewall delays an ETCS packet by 200 milliseconds, the train's onboard computer registers a loss of continuous communication with the track.
speaker_1HOST
0:50
And let me guess, the train doesn't just buffer and wait for the connection to reestablish.
speaker_0HOST
0:55
No.
Richard BowkerHOST
7:36
Anybody who thinks that outcome-based procurement means you can have a three-page spec, not a 50-page spec, has never bought anything, right? So it is, it is quite a complex thing.
Richard BowkerHOST
7:48
Uh, it talks about ETCS.
Richard BowkerHOST
7:50
Everything's gonna come ETCS around, ready.
Richard BowkerHOST
7:52
Well, which baseline? I, I, I'm not sure what baseline we're on now, and every time we ...
Richard BowkerHOST
7:57
a new baseline comes out, there's massive retro costs to the stuff that's already fitted to get it up to the new baseline.
Nina LockwoodHOST
20:30
Mm.
Rob MullenGUEST
20:30
So, um, you know, and there were lots of exciting things to do, ETCS through the, the central core, but the fundamental issues were around performance and trade, uh, trade union agreements on, uh, up on, you know, GN and, and Thameslink and-
Nina LockwoodHOST
20:46
Mm
Rob MullenGUEST
20:46
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23 MINS LATER

Rob MullenGUEST
43:27
I think the second part of that is, is it is a inherent responsibility on us to make sure that growth is, is included within that priority list.
Nina LockwoodHOST
43:36
Mm-hmm.
Rob MullenGUEST
43:36
Because we know on the railway infrastructure change, infrastructure delivery, uh, whether that's rolling stock or whether that's, you know, building, uh, you know, a new track or ETCS or any of those types of things, takes a long time.
Rob MullenGUEST
43:52
New signaling schemes take a long time.

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