How do you do the grief and the hope well without

diminishing? So this one's not from me.

This is actually from Simon Manchester.

So Simon Manchester's got a chapter in a book that SMBC produced, Sydney Missionary Bible College produced called How to Give the Talk.

He's got a chapter on weddings and funerals.

And so I found Simon Manchester's stuff really, really helpful because he says two things.

He says it's good to look back in the service to celebrate the life of the person who's passed.

is how eulogy is to go about.