Eugene Braunwald

How should Circ Nation think about interpreting those results? Let's start there, and then let's get into actually what you found.

Well, first of all, it's a great question, and, uh, Eugene Braunwald once said to me, "There's no such thing as a failed trial," because you learn something from every trial that you ever do.

And, you know, we tend to think very black and white when it comes to trials, but we know that the level of significance sometimes is arbitrary, and we've seen cases where you just miss clinical statistical significance, but you have important information.

And sometimes you can see important heterogeneity in a study.