Ethel L. Payne

It's with this administration, but there have been Black women who have been in your shoes before.

There is Ethel Payne from-

Yes

... 1954.

Now we're 70 years later.

How are you grappling with this understanding of where you sit in history? Who gets to bring their own knowledge and experience into that room? And who is just-- who is still being seen as a reporter?

You bringing up Ethel Payne brought chills, and that question that she asked brought chills to me.

That's 70 years ago, you say.