Ethan Gruska

I think that's are people who really excel at that type of songwriting.

And knowing how to take all that information and like, which is I think honestly what Amy and Ethan Gruska, who worked on it as well, did so well, is like we gave a lot.

And that's one thing that, like Louisa as a showrunner is so communicative and, like has such a vision, and like wants to talk about all of these things, and wants to share.

And I think what was gr- you know, what Amy and Ethan did really incredibly was, like distilled all of this information that we gave, and wasn't, and didn't think in terms of, "Okay, I need to hit this, I need to hit this, I need, I need to, like, this to be very clear here, and that to be..." Like, they took it all and then, like understood, were able to keep what really wor- like latch onto what really worked about it, and then, like that was, I think, where the great collaboration happened too, was like w- there were tweaks, and that was where it was really helpful to be like, "Okay, like this, like these two lines could, could be more connected," or like, "We're not sure about..." Like a- we were, and, and this is where, like we, we got really granular, where it was like...

Punisher came in between.

What is Phoebe Bridgers giving us? She got back together with longtime collaborators Tony Berg and Ethan Gruska.

I had also winced when I read this.

Jack Antonoff had a hand on some tracks.