Esraj

And what do you think one of the reasons is why, like, why is the Esraj and Dilruba, it's still quite rare as an instrument in terms of, I mean, I'm hoping that more people study it, but, you know, is it just because there aren't as many musicians or what was the reason behind that?

No, so, I mean, the Dilruba and Esraj both have been really popular.

I would say in the early 20th century, obviously when...

when especially when harmonium came into see gurdwaras it just became a lot easier to learn this type of instrument where the where the notes were you know it wasn't

So to start with, let's start with your journey.

I was interested in what drew you to the Esraj and the Dilruba and can you talk about the role that music plays in your spiritual practice and in your spiritual community?

Yeah, I think I'll answer it in reverse really.

I think I, from the Namtari Sikh tradition, And I'm born in a very traditional family who were devout Sikhs.

Wow.

That's incredible.

And in terms of the Esraj, because the Esraj, sorry.

I'm sorry.