Erwin Chemerinsky

Bri- Wired looked at the group's tax filings and found she was actually a fundraiser.

UC Berkeley Law Dean Erwin Chemerinsky put it simply, quote, "You can't practice law without a license." And Wired found one more thing.

After she came back from China in 2013, she worked as an affiliate marketer for Beachbody, selling a product called Shakeology.

She confirmed it and described the company's model herself as, quote, "a sort of pyramid scheme." Here's what she had to say today to Jac Pasobiek inside the White House.

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I, you know what I remember once was, isn't it Chemerinsky who has the photographic memory?

Maybe.

I think he would do his lectures from memory.

I mean, it is impressive-

Yeah

... 'cause I'm envisioning the Chemerinsky hornbook that's, like, this big.

I know.

From the deployment of the National Guard to Los Angeles and other cities, to the administration's threats to cut public assistance to city governments over policy disputes, the Trump administration has taken many actions that fly in the face of traditional federalism.

What can state and local governments do to combat federal overreach? What legal and policy tools can states and localities use to challenge repressive and illegal federal actions? Joining us today are Erwin Chemerinsky and Aziz Hook.

They're the editors of a series of essays called Fight Back, How States Can Counter Authoritarianism, which seeks to answer all of these questions for state and local policymakers, whether they be liberal or conservative.

Erwin Chemerinsky is Dean of the University of California, Berkeley School of Law.

Aziz Hook is Professor of Law at the University of Chicago, and both are distinguished professors of constitutional law.

So thanks so much to both of you for joining us.

This episode was hosted by me, Ryan Goodman, and my co-host, Tess Bridgman.

It's produced by Daniel Hajnaki and edited by Pooja Shah.

What happens on campus doesn't just stay on campus.

And proudly joining us is Erwin Chemerinsky to discuss his recently published book, Campus Speech and Academic Freedom, A Guide for Difficult Times, which he co-authored with Howard Gilman.

To give our listeners and our audience a little background on Erwin, he is the 13th dean of Berkeley Law and the Jesse H. Choper Distinguished Professor of Law.

Before joining Berkeley in 2017, he served as the founding dean of UC Irvine School of Law, which he talks about UC Irvine in the book quite a bit.

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I just don't think they're there yet.

We had Dean Erwin Chemerinsky on the show a few weeks ago, and he made this really, I think, poignant observation about the difference between a 6-3 court and a 5-4 court.

And I think it affords just an immense amount of leeway.

And I think you're also making...

We have law professors, deans who are calling to trash the U.S. Constitution.

Dean Chemerinsky at Berkeley came out with a book that no constitution lasts forever, saying that we should trash the U.S. Constitution.

This is a movement among professors and deans.

We have to be able to answer that.

Again, the state action doctrine being that piece of the American legal context that says that our constitutional rights only constrain state actors.

So Erwin Chemerinsky, in a very famous paper in the 80s, argued the state action doctrine should be appealed.

But there were a lot of high profile events in the early 2000s and into the COVID era, 2020, 2022. that led people to really think that things had changed and that we needed to rethink these sorts of things.

So in the book, I just say that private censorship is censorship carried out by actors that are non-state actors.