Eris

The Greek gods and goddesses are all meeting.

And I believe it was, Is it Eris, the goddess of chaos, who was not invited? So she took a golden apple that said, for the fairest, and tossed it in the room.

And then Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite all claimed it belonged to them.

And basically they gave Paris the opportunity to pick which one of them should deserve the apple.

But so for, for now, I think, honestly, I'll go ahead and pivot because, um, Maybe, well, who knows? We could go ahead and start with Cary Thornley because there's a few other things that I was going to mention.

I thought about just these protests in France because, I mean, it clearly seems like confessions of an economic hitman playing out, but I can get to that later if we still have time and want to do another segment because, honestly, I want to make sure that I actually discuss Zandvoort and... and Carrie Thornley in this discordianism concept, because again, just knowing the sort of etymology or the kind of mythology behind the system, the belief system that was discordianism, it's essentially based around a Greek goddess, Eris, right? And this is the goddess of discord and strife.

And the religion itself is like a parody on religion, right? It's very interesting, but it seems as if You know, there's a clip of Kerry Thornley and he's talking to Sondra London, which is fascinating because Sondra London was known as the serial killer groupie.

And just for anyone who's unaware, Kerry Thornley came up in the Garrison investigation.

And with Discordianism, though, ideologically speaking, it's a very different sort of – it's a different – It's a different kind of philosophical system in a way because it's very much about, as I mentioned before, flooding the sort of avenue waves of information with this deliberate disinformation, right? It's trying to very much, I think – disrupt right the path of achieving some sort of objectivity and enlightenment of any kind understanding the structured system and how power functions they want to blur the lines and keep you from being able to essentially identify the very root cause that we we like to mention and so thornley they were very much i think of the same mind in regard to the core principles which essentially were this masonic operation in regard to order out of chaos but um but and again just so you're aware it's greg hill right and carrie thornley who were the two individuals who helped really found uh discordianism And allegedly, right? Because it's all kind of a muddy backstory in itself.

But this has all essentially been on the record, right? And you can go and verify it for yourself.

But so they were insisting on this kind of project of at least attempting to weaponize this concept of how humans essentially project their own morality onto reality itself and they wanted to disrupt that and subvert that and invert it honestly into a concept where chaos would ultimately prevail in this idea in this ideology as far as this ideology within discordianism would help i think escalate uh you know that that outcome and facilitate it in many ways so they identified it basically chaos with discordia And so this was the Roman equivalent of Eris, right, for the Greek goddess of discord is what they based this on for discordianism.

So we have so many different connections between Cary Thornley.

First, he ordered Thetis to marry the elderly King Peleus.

He then made sure that all the gods, except Eris, were invited to the wedding.

When all the gods arrived bearing gifts, Zeus ordered Hermes, the messenger of the gods, to stop Eris, the goddess of discord, at the door.

Eris was a minor deity, but one who had the power to create strife and sow the seeds of discord between gods or between men.

Eris threw a gift of her own through the door, just as Zeus had expected.

The gift was a golden apple, on which were inscribed the words, "To the fairest." The apple became the most desired prize at the gathering.

Three goddesses at the gathering, Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite, immediately tried to claim the gift as their own and argued fiercely over the apple, just as Zeus had anticipated.

He was a colossus, known to be fearless in combat.

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For more information, or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org Dialogue 5 Panope relates to Galene the scene of the introduction of the golden apple by Eris into the nuptial feast of Peleus and Thetis, the discord between the three rival goddesses, and their dismissal to Mount Ida for judgment.

did you see galene yesterday what eris did at the banquet in thessaly because she was not also invited to the feast

i was not at the banquet with you for poseidon ordered me penope to keep the sea unagitated meanwhile but what then did eris for not being present as a guest

thetis and pelias had already gone off to their bridal chamber escorted by amphitrate and poseidon But Eris, meanwhile, unobserved by any, and she could easily be so, while some were drinking, others making a clatter, or giving all their attention to Apollo playing on the kithara, or to the muses as they sang, threw into the midst of the banqueting hall a certain very beautiful apple, all of gold galeen.

and it was inscribed let the beautiful one have me and rolling along as though intentionally it came where hera and aphrodite and athene were reclining and when hermes taking it up read out the inscription we nereids held our tongues for what were we to do in the presence of those goddesses then they began to put forward each one her pretensions and each claimed the apple to be her own and had not zeus separated them the affair would have ended even in blows but says he i will not myself judge in the matter although they earnestly called upon him to do so but go away with you to ida to the presence of the youth paris who as he is a connoisseur in female charms knows how to distinguish the superior beauty and he would not give wrong judgment

What, pray, did the goddesses do, Panope?

where

Eris throws the apple of discord and basically starts the Trojan War.

And if I'm thinking like a Rogue One scenario with, you know, the Titan War and something about Katie Kim and her history and all of this causing... a pretty big I'm just saying that could be very cool it doesn't I guess it's two different predictions based on the fact that this knife is Peleus's but like either way very cool and if there are like Katie Kim Achilles parallels I'm very here for that

all right I've just read through the first two chapters of this book um which is about as far as like the back of the book takes you.

They'll go on to become the parents of Achilles, who fights at Troy.

Um, and into their midst is thrown a golden apple by the goddess Eris, Strife, uh, on which is inscribed the, um, message, "To Kallista," for the most beautiful.

And three goddesses squabble over it, Hera, Athene, Aphrodite.

Um, Zeus doesn't want to get involved because this ne- is never going to un- end well.

In order to understand the latter, we must start from the fact that the Greek genius admitted the existing fearful impulse and deemed it justified, whereas in the Orphic phase of thought was contained the belief that life with such an impulse as its root would not be worth living.

Strife and the pleasure of victory were acknowledged, and nothing separates the Greek world more from ours than the coloring derived hence of some ethical ideas, for example, of Eris and of Envy.

When the traveler Pausanias during his wanderings through Greece visited the Helicon, a very old copy of the first didactic poem of the Greeks, the works and days of Hesiod were shown to him, inscribed upon plates of lead and severely damaged by time and weather.

However, he recognized this much that unlike the usual copies, it had not at its head that little hymnus on Zeus, but began at once with the declaration, two Eris goddesses are on earth.

This is one of the most noteworthy Hellenic thoughts and worthy to be impressed on the newcomer immediately at the entrance gate of Greek ethics.

One would like to praise the one Eris just as much as to blame the other, if one uses one's reason, for these two goddesses have quite different dispositions.

For the one, the cruel one, furthers the evil war and feud.

No mortal likes her, but under the yoke of need, one pays honor to the burdensome Eris according to the decree of the immortals.

I think that it's ultimately just to stir up just more discordianism.

You know, Discordianism comes from the Greek god Eris, right? In Greek, I think it's Eris.

Discordianism.

Let me see if I can look this up.

Yeah.

So here, Discordianism is a modern satirical religion and philosophy centered around Eris, the Greek goddess of chaos, discord, and strife.

But then I think her twin is Ares.

Ares is the war.