Assuming that a campaign group wants to secure legal personhood for a river, how might they go about that?

There are two main pathways.

The first is to deliberately create laws that recognise the personhood of a river.

So local governments, local councils can pass laws that recognise the personhood of a river.

And that's often a relatively easy or straightforward process, but it's very limited in its legal impact because the hierarchy of the legal framework means that if a local government law is inconsistent with a state or national law, it will be invalid to the extent of that inconsistency.

At the other end of the spectrum, you have something like constitutional reform.

An alternative to that is judge-made law.

However legal personhood is granted, the question remains, does this approach to protecting rivers actually work in practice? In other words, are rivers made safer or healthier as a consequence?

So do you see that changing? I mean, how much work is it going to take to bring this industry into that acceptance? And is it pretty open now? to the concept of leasing versus owning TSE?

I think one of the great strengths of HighServe is that we offer a spectrum of solutions because our customers have a spectrum of challenges, right? Everything from a short-term rental to a full sale and lease back of a fleet to monetize to gain capital.

dry leasing and full service leasing and maintenance.

So we all have a spectrum of solutions for our customers because everybody has different pain points.

Everyone has different challenges that they're trying to solve for.

So it's not a one size fits all solution.

It's about having a partner at HighServe that can give you the depth and breadth of experience of financial stability and for operational excellency.

What can you tell me about what you've heard on the street about how that's coming along?

Yeah.

And so I'm grateful for that experience because it broadens my own personal and professional lens, um, by which I ran the airport.

And, and it informed then as we renegotiated airport use agreements with our airline partners, post privatization evaluation.

It informed some of those decisions and, and really, um, really gave, um, additional, adi- additional knowledge that I would not have otherwise had the opportunity.

So that's really why I was, I was telling you I feel so blessed that I was able to grow my career in aviation-

Oh, yeah

... to get the exposure to and, and, and learn from, whether it was the terminal development program, whether it was the privatization efforts, whether it was capital development programs or just, you know, airport negotiations, airport operations and maintenance.

All of the, the aspects that I was able to get exposure to during my time and tenure with the city of Chicago, I'm forever grateful.