Eric Matthews

This is the continuation of Detective

Matthews and Hoffman.

And he's called Detective Matthews even though he's in the FBI.

Is that right? Oh, no.

Strom is in the FBI.

It's tough to like, just for the podcast perspective, I'm like, okay, wait, what happened? Like we, it does a lot of jumping around.

There's a lot more characters.

There's, there's, it's almost like two or three movies happening at once.

You're, you've got different, very different plot lines happening all together.

And like and another thing to kind of, you know, loop back to what you said, like the first two movies are pretty straightforward.

Like I it's not that difficult to understand, like what's going on, like little things.

in the moment you're like what and then at the end you're like oh this one is the first one where it is starting to get a little bit confusing like you were saying they introduce a lot of characters they focus on a lot of characters and a lot of things that didn't come from the first movie at all which are the first two movies really but you know we get a lot of time with jigsaw which is really like to me the thing that i want the most of these movies because like i'm not into the gore as much i like the lore and the story so having jigsaw kind of like barely being the first one and then like the second one good amount but he's basically just like you know stop fucking me up and he's coughing the whole time this one it's like he you kind of start to see his plan a little bit more in this one which i which i like but they kill him dude what are they doing it's so stupid

i i remember hearing like this might've been around the time of soft five or six when sales were starting to finally decline.

it's up to us, yeah.

Also, in the middle of this, when Amanda is like... going around and stuff, they reveal that Donnie Wahlberg, they flash back, I think, to Donnie Wahlberg that he, Eric Matthews, speaking of names, that his name is Eric Matthews in these movies, that he escaped his test and that him and Amanda, like, fight in a hallway yeah and and he he just screams like you're not jigsaw you're nothing or whatever and she like and and then it's implied that she killed him but we don't actually see it i don't like it was such a weird i forget i was very confused

yeah by these flashbacks um yeah i was also i mean because i don't I guess the order of events, because he severs his own foot or crushes his own foot.

He does something.

Matthew.

His name, his name is Eric Matthews, which is-

Eric Matthews.

Yeah.

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Uh, Saw II.

Your boy Jigsaw holds eight people hostage in a house filled with games, including Detective Eric Matthews' innocent son and Jigsaw's only known survivor, Amanda.

Everyone else in the house was framed by Detective Matthews because he's a crooked-ass cop.

Uh, this is primarily Matthews' game which he loses by making Jigsaw take him to the house to try and save his son from the people he framed.

Turns out the game has been completed several days ago, and his son is already safe.

Amanda reveals herself as Jigsaw's apprentice, and locks Matthews in the bathroom from the first movie and leaves him there to die.

And that's where Saw III picks up.

All right, Saw III.

You know, you had one, which was really a small movie, like low budget, small movie, just simple premise with a bunch of flashback-y type moments to, to link how our two folks in the bathroom got there.

And then they got bigger and elaborate for II, and, and I thought II had a great story, and I thought it was super smart that they did Eric Matthews and his son and kind of brought in this family dynamic into the story that gave you something more to hold onto than just a bunch of, like, crazy traps, you know? And then here we are with III, where you said that there's this shift.

You've got Amanda and John and, uh, the, the kind of relationship that's going on with them.

I think they made a lot of smart choices with this as a franchise series up to this point.

So we do spend a good portion of the start of this movie basically picking up where we left off, and you know I love me a good pick-me-up.

You do.

So speaking of where do we start, we start immediately where we ended in Saw II, in the bathroom escape where Amanda had left a shackled Detective Eric Matthews in the exact same bathroom that our two main protagonists of the first original Saw were locked into.

And he has his foot in a shackle, and he's got the saw right there.

The one with the tracheotomy.

What does he sound like? Does he sound like Alex Jones? Can we at least appreciate one thing with this movie compared to the last few that we've done? We're finally done with Eric Matthews.

We're finally past this poor man hanging on in all his movies.

I'm very happy we're finally past this.

My sweet, sweet baby angel, Donnie.

Detective Matthews.

You know, I love him to death.

All right.

But...

All right.

So the Amanda part of it all, I do not think is is John Kramer approved because because Eric Matthews got out of the trap.

Now, there's a little twist because it's like, OK, was she fighting for her life and she had to do that, too? You know, Donnie, because he was literally about to kill her, basically.