Eric Maddox

And into that situation you bring, um, a man who has had six weeks of training in interrogation and never interrogated a prisoner.

His name's Eric Maddox.

And the only reason he even is selected is because he happened to sort of check two boxes because he'd done that training.

And so when they're rapidly looking for people, they pull him in.

Where is Saddam? Now, just to give a point of reference, it takes about 10 years to find Osama bin Laden using traditional interrogation.

Yeah.

It takes five months from the time Eric Maddox turns up to find Saddam in the spider hole.

Directly, I don't mean it s- I'm not like, this isn't just happenstance.

But the 18-count indictment against Assange focused almost exclusively on the WikiLeaks publisher's role in obtaining, possessing, and publishing documents between 2009, 2011, known as the Iraq War Logs, Afghanistan War Diaries, Guantanamo Bay detainee files.

And now remember, I had on my heroic... uh, NCO, um, uh, Eric Maddox, the guy who, uh, found Saddam Hussein by debriefing.

Um, and he said clearly the torture doesn't work.

The torture is not a technique of DOD or army military intelligence, Fort Huachuca defense intelligence agency, strategic debriefers or interrogators because torture, when you torture somebody, they'll tell you whatever it's It's not necessarily the truth.