but but one of the things that that i was fascinated about when i read the book and i don't know if i had really thought about it is like what a singular individual alan is right so you can't even point to like there's no other example of an alan of as far as how he moves how he works um what he does and so Can you talk a little bit about that? Because I want the listener and the reader, the listener of this and the reader of your book, or if they listen to it on Audible, to try to kind of get an essence of that so they can extract and reverse engineer to see where they can find their own kind of like singularness in what they're doing.

Yeah.

The case for him being singular just very briefly is I think this will be more obvious as we go over the next sort of 10 or 20 years.

But I think even amongst the other great founders of our generation, we would have computers and operating systems without Bill Gates.

We'd have social networks without Zuckerberg.

We'd have search engines without Larry and Sergey.

know we'd have e-commerce without bezos but it's not clear to me that we would actually have electric cars at the scale or quality that we do without elon musk it's not clear to me that we would have reusable rockets without elon musk like and the fact that he did both of those in parallel and funded them you know for the at least the first few years with the entirety of his net worth and had material operating roles in both of them um is this like unbelievable feat that should make us all sort of question what's possible and ask like, well, how the hell did he do that? And on the one hand we might be in the, you know, the one universe in the multiverse where that gambit worked out.

Yeah,

Can you walk me through the half a decade process of curating the book, writing the book, the elimination process, everything?

Yeah.

It, um, this will sound insane and laborious, but I promise you I have fun pretty much the whole time I'm doing this.

Um, the first step is just build a giant spreadsheet of all as comprehensive as you can be about public appearances.

So, you know, Elon starts to have public appearances when he's like about 20 kind of post sale of zip too.

So, um, uh, mid twenties and then, you know, He's not a ton of information through those 20 through then post PayPal.

It's like a whole other thing.

Keith

Eric Jorgensen of Maine Housing spoke with host Nicola Grisco about some of the nearly 60 provisions in the bill that he says will have potential impacts here in Maine.

Well, what this does, I think, which is exciting is that it aligns with a lot of the work that's already being done in Maine to expand housing production, especially in rural communities where we really are worried about supply of housing, but also about preserving existing affordable housing that's done through USDA.

So it's not necessarily providing a ton of new money for new vast programs, but it's going to make a lot of existing programs work better.

There's issues like environmental reviews and things, which are important parts of federal legislation, but they've been very difficult to comply with sometimes.

This is going to make them a lot more rational and a lot easier.

There's a lot of things it's going to do to help with manufactured housing, make manufactured housing easier to place, more affordable.

It's all very technical, but it all adds up to things that are going to really improve stuff.

Putting aside the questions about the signing of this bill, when might we see change from this legislation? In other words, are these going to be quick, noticeable fixes or maybe something else?

Is there like one story from Elon that really makes you think about how unreasonable he is?

Yes.

Uh, I love...

This-- I think this is like the canonical story that characterizes Elon Musk.

So late 2008, and I know you know this story, but for anybody who doesn't, like both SpaceX and Tesla, he was six, seven years in.

He'd put his entire net worth, except he was down to his last like $30 million, if you can imagine being in such a, a desperate position.

And he'd been just stepped in to run Tesla after being chairman and main funder because the, the company was not working.

But, like, what, what do you think are the craziest stories of Elon going into hardcore mode?

For those listening who may not understand the lore behind Scribe, can you give us a brief history and how you ended up at the helm of this company?

Sure, it's rich lore.

It's cool.

So Scrabble was founded like 10 years ago by Tucker Max and Zach Obron, two legends.

Tucker is like one of the original sort of blog to book guys.

And I even like...

Way before Substack, even before people were like...

Where do you land, obviously, if you were trying to give the least biased advice that you could to somebody who's listening, what would your advice to them be when it comes to selecting a path forward?

But just from everything you've learned from these guys and, and, and the other individuals that you follow, why should we be optimistic about the, the technological frontier that we're gonna be looking at over the next 10 years, 50 years, et cetera?

I mean, there are so many reasons to that, like, that it's...

I, I think everyone gets to kind of pick their own.

Um, I think there can be a very selfish reason to be optimistic, which is just it feels good.

Like, you are happier every day if you walk on the sunny side of the street, if you focus on the opportunities that are new and exciting, and find reasons to look forward to the future, of which there are many.

Um, I think there's a lot of...

I, I could also make a pretty strong argument, I think, and this is sort of, uh, where we get to David Deutsch, that Naval has helped popularize, which is, like, optimism is a, a moral imperative.

These are important things that we're, that we're not talking about enough, in my opinion.