Okay.

'Cause she actually was a interior designer and, like, wrote books on interior design, and she worked for an ad agency, uh, here in Atlanta.

She would write Advertisements for, like, Kraft, and she met Johnny Cash one time and apparently came home and said she was never washing this hand 'cause she shook Johnny Cash's hand.

[laughs] That's a hell of a story.

And yeah, so she, she was always that creative space, and so I think I get it from, uh, any kind of, uh, interior design or, or any kind of, like, uh, design sense, I feel like I can probably attribute at the feet of my grandmother, 'cause she was the, the first one to do it in my family.

So that was, that was...

That's probably where that came from.

Wow.