Eric Alterman

But he also has some very nuanced discussion, which we'll get into.

The next year, in 2004, you have a book by Eric Alterman that did not get as famous, but it's basically an answer book to Goldberg.

And so what I thought I'd do here is to present this historic argument that was made at that time with the examples of that time of, is the media liberal? And Alterman goes pretty close to saying, actually, it's quite conservative when you consider in its totality.

So for Goldberg, it's like everybody who's making the media happen, the ones pulling the levers are a liberal, liberal, liberal.