Enschede

But the, the, the guys, the guys were playing for Twente at that moment.

Uh, uh, Sören Lindstedt and Halfvar Thoresen, and they just, they just arrived in Enschede, and they went to the club, and they were asking, "Could we, is it possible for us to play and, uh, and let you show that we can play the game?" So they both did, and they both ended up with a contract.

But these guys just came out of the blue and, uh, they, well, they succeeded.

Yeah.

In hindsight, but...

But we were at an event that we all co-organized with Breitling in the city of Enschede in the Netherlands with a retailer called Cooling.

Props to them.

And they have a Breitling boutique.

The hunt ended on Christmas Eve 2021.

At 12:15 AM, Dutch police acting on a tip-off surrounded a location in Enschede.

They found Hörstermann and took him into custody.

The man who had evaded justice for nearly three decades was finally behind bars for good.

And of course, there are some, but still mostly, the most of the innovations which are technical are being started at the technical universities.

So for example, in Delft, uh, even in Enschede and in Eindhoven, that's, those are the places where actually the technical startups start.

And at some point if they're growing, they'll probably move close to where their customers are, where their markets are.

But from a startup point of view, I think, uh, for these specific sectors, it's not that much in, in Rotterdam itself.