Emmanuel Goldstein

And nearly, he risked his life for it.

The second is that the book within the book in 1984, the secret book that O'Brien purports to give to Smith, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, it's called, and its author's name is given as Immanuel Goldstein.

that text and that author are very clearly to me well i know i mean you can check it yourself that is a direct lift from revolution betrayed by leon trotsky that is that is orwell's version of that book and that author so i think that

orwell was not one of those who thought that

I mean, there are some actually chilling, chilling excerpts about what has occurred.

And what I did once on a show is, you know, Emanuel Goldstein, Adam, is the bad guy that everybody hates.

Nobody really sees him, but they see his image.

Now, that should even start to sound familiar.

to what's going on recently.

What I did was I took a section where it talked about Emanuel Goldstein, and every place where that name popped up, I inserted Osama bin Laden.

Let me tell you, it'll raise the hair on the back of your neck.

So Orwell was a good guy.

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this corner." But it's, it's, it's a mistake, I think, to, you know, the, the sort of 1984 thing of saying, "Oh, this is agents of Emmanuel Goldstein." Uh, it's not.

Uh-huh.

I mean, these are, these are deep internal convulsions.

They're...

It's 1984, Emmanuel Goldstein.

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Yes.

Well, famously, uh, the book Emanuel Goldstein, Trotsky, and the book that he wrote is literally just the book that Trotsky wrote, The Betrayal of the Revolution or whatever it's called.

Yeah.

Um, so I find that, I find that all interesting, but like, as a, as a book, as a story that has plot and characters in addition to world building [laughs] and social commentary, I think it's, it's not my favorite.