But it always strikes me that, that today's children don't know any other way of life, and that, and that that is potentially the, the huge problem.

Yes.

Um, I actually don't have that problem because I don't allow my children on their [laughs] I don't allow my children to play games or to watch mindless television or to, as in, I just, we just don't, we just...

Because I don't do it, the children don't do it.

Now, I'm not saying that my children don't ever be on a phone.

They'll go on a phone and FaceTime with an auntie or an uncle or, or my mum, or they'll look at photos or the- but they're...

We, we live a full life, and also we're busy with gardening, with animals, with going on walks and picnics and w- and church activities, and, well, my children are in 4H, and so there's always activities.

What are your habits that, um, y- are tried and tested, and you might have made notes and gone back to it and said, "Yeah, this is a, a really good habit for me." Maybe something you do now that you didn't do 20 or 30 years ago.