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think the scary thing is the last statistics we have are from the previous census.

And I think we all know with the cost of living crisis in the last few years, we're expecting the results from this census, unfortunately, maybe to have gotten worse.

So at the moment, we know 122,000 Australians are experiencing homelessness every night.

And as you said, I think the scary thing is a lot of that goes unseen.

You know, 6% of that is people sleeping rough.

94% is people couch surfing in their cars or going from hotel to hotel each night.

Can you just walk us through those early conversations? What was the why