So what are some things you've done there at Texas Wesleyan to start to intentionally create that culture that you talked about where everyone understands like you have a role in this?

That is a challenge as well.

I've talked about some challenges.

It's really shifting the culture and the mindset of the university.

And it takes some time.

Some of the things we have done, first of all, is codifying the university's core values.

You know, when I started here four years ago, we didn't have identified core values.

So when you look back again on your higher ed career, I mean, what experiences before you became a university president do you think really helped prepare you for the role? And just how did those experiences, again, it's probably a two part question, but like shape ultimately how you lead as a president now?