So you're like, OK, how do you navigate that challenge?

I would first start and say, if you want to practice fertility acupuncture, you have to be able to work through disappointment.

You have to be able to, like, steel yourself for a lot of tough conversations and a lot of darkness because these women, particularly women, are really suffering and And they suffer over and over in their cycles.

So you have to be able to have enough qi to present to the patient as their leader, as their guide through this entire arc.

So what I like to say to my employees who come out of school and I'm training them who don't see success within the three month prescribed window of how they're told at school fertility works is that you have to really lean in, even if it's disingenuous at first.

in telling yourself that you can get these patients pregnant.

Maybe not just with TCM, but you know that you or who you guide them to, if they have eggs and they have sperm and they have not run out of their reserve, you can guide them to their healthy, happy baby.

So why should I? So how do you manage that?