Emily Lazar

Just kind of like whittling and whittling and like thinking and twisting and shaping.

And then, yeah, it's like, and I was doing so much intense work that I talked to Emily Lazar, who is one of the greatest mastering engineers of all time.

And her and I have become friends.

And I was like, I was like, can I send you this, these mixes I've done, and will you be honest with me and just tell me, please be brutally honest and say, nice try, Jim, but have somebody mix it for real, or it sounds great.