Can you tell us a little bit about where that shift happened and why?

Yeah, absolutely.

I was an artsy kid.

I did art and student government, and I really, when I got to college, I took the, my science requirements first and second quarter.

I did Rocks for Jocks, I think was the nickname.

It was the Earth as a planet, and I did an astronomy course to just, uh, just knock it out and so I could move on with education.

And I, I'll tell you, I was...

So how do I decide what kind of questions I should be asking? And I know it depends on what scenario we’re dealing with as far as healthcare, um, but how do I start to sort that out as a parent myself?

Yeah [laughs]

... you've, you've seen these, these internet forums.

I mean, y- they really, like, it's really hard not to read them, and over and over again you hear from people who are very specific about their birth plans and do not let somebody give pain medication, and if they try to do a C-section, then th- you know, tell them they're trying to make money and get, or go home early, right? Like, don't let them.

Like, make sure all of these things happen.

And in fact, that's just, it's just sort of s- seeding this element of, of, uh, of trust, of like, don't, don't trust everyone, th- the intentions are wrong.

And I, I wanna say that nobody has bad intentions.

I'm sure sometimes th- those intentions exist even if they're implicit or hidden, but, um, but a lot of times those, those, you know, those inklings aren't right, right? Like, uh, people need C-sections if, if labor is stalled and [laughs] and the baby's i- in, in danger, right? So, um, so, so I guess that's, that's how I think trust is becoming more and more at risk.

Yeah