Emil Cioran

Yeah, which is why I wouldn't class myself as completely optimistic at all.

Cioran and Camus and thinkers like that all came to a bleak understanding of the world.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was Camus, yeah.

I'd not read much of Cioran.

Camus 100% was quite bleak.

But I liked that because it was the pairing of the absurdity with it, which I think can be quite freeing if you don't take reality too seriously.

Mm-hmm

... and to Emil Cioran.

So those three, kind of a conversation around some of the themes that dominate that work.

So with Livaditis is, is the notion of defeat, defeat of the left.

Mm-hmm.

With Benjamin, it's the experience of melancholy.

With Cioran, it is pessimism.

Um-