Elzada Clover

[upbeat music] This is Big Adventures with Brian Durer, and I'm sitting with Melissa Sevigny, and, uh, she has fast become my favorite auth- author.

Uh, Brave the Wild River is a book about Elzada Clover and Lois Jotter, the first, uh, botanist to go through the Grand Canyon, and this is our author, and it's a fantastic book.

We'll talk more about that in a little bit, Melissa, but thanks so much for being here.

Yeah.

If you have an opportunity to go to a local, uh, botanical garden, I highly recommend it.

The And so, as I mentioned in one of our book club discussions, so Elzada Clover was a botanist at the University of Michigan, and she studied cacti.

So she would collect cacti from the wild, bring them back to the Botanical Gardens, and then grow them there.

Because it's very different to see a three-dimensional cactus versus trying to...