Ely Callaway Jr.

And, uh, this is very fitting for Russ King.

And another little-known fact, um, Ely Callaway and, uh, and Ken Morton Sr. got to be pretty good friends, and, and Ken helped launch the brand, uh, much like he did with Carson Solheim and Ping.

So, uh, again, behind the scenes so many, many years ago.

And, and now as you say, it's this gigantic company.

I've been fortunate.

Eli Callaway sent me clubs, obviously, when he was alive.

Uh, you know, things like that, you just hold very, very dear to you.

But there are other ...

He'd already s- it was ...

E- Ely Callaway had already signed John Daly by the p- time you got there, huh?

You know, I don't know.

I don't know if John ... 'Cause John, let's see, John came on the scene in '91.

I did.

So, so walk me through that.

Walk through, 'cause that's, 'cause like, like dealing with Ely Callaway, now you're dealing with Bob Parsons so you're, you're going from one-

Well-