Is it similar to Tatum? 'Cause we're gonna get to Tatum in a minute.

Okay, so I gotta be really careful how I language this, 'cause I've never met or, like, sat down and worked with Stephen A. Smith.

But if I were to, something like narcissism would be on the short list of things that I would be thinking about and looking at, um, as, as I analyze him.

Um, he, he, he demonstrates certain skills, um, certain traits.

One of them is, um, grandiosity.

He seems to have a very inflated, uh, idea of himself, and he thinks that his opinion should matter to everybody for whom he's giving it.

And there have been lots of times, if you guys have ever watched, uh, his show on ESPN, an athlete will say something negative about him, and he will almost, like, challenge that athlete to a fight through the camera.

So Andy, let's play, I think, what number is that? Uh, um, let's do the biggest takeaways.

ain't.

You're not coming to a psychotherapy training.

That woman sits still for 10 seconds.

She's not sitting through this.

But she did, man.

She showed up, which was also kind of funny.

Talk about a baller moment, like a flex in the therapy world.

Well, especially in psychotherapy.

Mm

... what he's saying is just factually odd to me.

And also, I, I think through their privilege, they're misunderstanding a Black person's call for justice as a Black person's call for punishment and justice, but these are just people that are seeking the truth, in particular, the family of Nolan Wells, and he is demonizing them for doing so instead of acknowledging we don't know what happened to Nolan Wells.

No one knows what happened to Nolan Wells, and if you're gonna tell us that there are all these people there, and they definitely would've seen a murder, then they definitely would've also seen an accidental drowning.

They definitely would've seen some kid disappear.

So why is one thing true and not the other? And, and also, the last thing I'll say about this, is this accusation of, like, profiteering and, and outright lying.

When you sit in a position of privilege, you literally can't see anything beyond your own perspective.

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Anyway, how do you counsel parents who feel like they're co-parenting with an algorithm that they can't see?

I would say that you're not co-parenting with an algorithm that you can't see.

Parents have always had to deal with external influences to what's going on around their children.

And right now, social media is just another one of those external influences.

So I would say, stay connected to your children.

And have conversations with your children.

And it's the same rules now as it was before.

What's the most over-the-top loving thing that you've either ever done for somebody or that someone has done for you?

Um, because allegedly the person who sent it to you tried to send it to Ben Crump?

Yeah.

So I got, I got a DM.

You know, I, I created...

I mean, this is kind of a longer story and I'm sure you guys don't wanna hear the super long story, but I started this, I, I decided that as a psychotherapist I wanted to make a bigger impact than just working with clients, which by the way, I still do.

And I wanted to have a very overt con- conversation on mental health.

I think, like, racism is actually a component of mental health, and all the things going on.

But if something theoretically happened and he did get on the boat, could a panic response explain why everyone's stories don't make sense?