But kind of what's your kind of daily routine between art and everything that keeps you, you know, loving your life?

Yeah.

And you know what? That is so important.

I, I, my daily routine, I have done this, I think I'm on to 20 years.

I struggled, as I told you, a lot with anxiety and depression, and I would do meditation and chanting, and then I'd feel good, and I'd stop.

[laughs] Well, I, I did that a few times, and then the last, uh, big hole that I ended up, it was very difficult to get out, and I promised myself, because I knew that a daily practice was going to keep me, um, grounded, uh, would give me resources.

So I, I actually have a very strong daily practice that I take care of, and it takes me sometimes two hours, sometimes longer, and I don't even see it as that.

I know you kind of mentioned at the start, but if you could just kind of tell them a bit more about what you're covering in them books.

How can someone begin listening to their body without being hyper-focused on everything? It's something I just want to hear my body gently.

It's that's a great question, because that's practice.

And I do teach a exercise that I've learned and fine tuned.

It's the first exercise I teach my clients is a body listening exercise.

In fact, I just did it today with a client this morning.

And What happens is when we were born, we already knew.

We knew what felt good.

I'd love to hear

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I was paralyzed, so frozen, so stuck.

I had trouble getting out of my bed.

I had trouble getting the kids to school.

And this didn't happen overnight.

This started when I was a kid.

So I had migraines, tummy ache, flu symptoms.

Why do you think so many people minimize anxiety and tell themselves, oh, I'm fine, you know, when they're clearly not?

Well, we're in a culture, and I think North America— I'm not so sure about Europe.

I don't spend a lot of time there.

However, our culture in the continent is about being fine.

So we typically, and I'm very generalizing, it's not everybody's...

But people, they just want to hear you're okay.

They don't want to hear that you're suffering.

And what are some signs that anxiety is starting to take over their life?

So can you share some of your experiences that led you to, okay, decide that this is what I want to do with my life?

Well, interestingly enough, I did not decide this, but I always thought I would grow up and be a wife with three kids and a white picket fence, you know.

And as a child, though, English is not my first language.

And I went to school.

My mom said I'd come home crying every day because I couldn't understand people.

And I would have migraine headaches and flu-like symptoms, tummy aches.

And it was all around tests and projects.

Please, just a few.

What first inspired you to enter this field?

Well, for me, it was because of the struggles and pain I had as a child.

And as a teenager and in my 20s, I mean, I had migraines.

I felt like I wanted to throw up all the time.

Sometimes I would hide in a field and just lay in a fetal position.

As a teenager, I stuttered.

I mean, I felt like I was hiding this big mask, like I was hiding and that if people really knew the torment and the dark thoughts inside me, they wouldn't want to be with me or hire me.

I can have

No, I mean, this 11th layer that you're talking about, are these like levels of anxiety? No, I can list them.

So substances... physiology, overstimulation, reality, social and cultural beliefs, perfectionism, self-doubt, negative thinking, being highly sensitive, memories, and trauma.

So that's 11.

And we could talk a little bit about a few of them just to give listeners an idea because I don't want you to think that, oh, which 11 is it? It's a simple list that I have in my book.

And once you kind of get used to it, you can just go through the checklist or you just look at the checklist yourself.

And the other thing which is interesting about the numbering system, and I would invite everybody to start doing that, is awareness.

Like it's not a test of where you are.

um not curing it uh if correct me if i'm wrong um okay but isn't do you think that you know um we can draw a line between managing anxiety or stress or you know and let's let's stick to anxiety right now anxiety well and just tolerating it

I would love to actually know about those strategies, right? That would be very important.

So, okay.

What I can do is I've actually...

I'm going to read them out.

Well, Joy, even though I've written these books, even though I have my little cheat sheets around me, because I'm not at a zero, like I give people a number scale.

So zero is no disturbance.

10, 10, I would call it short circuiting where I just couldn't put a thought together or a sentence together.

So which of these do you think is more common amongst like young adults?

Yeah

... can really make you smell bad, and, um, they're usually not around in the daytime.

And I was walking, uh, on our country road, and a skunk started to chase me, and I assumed it was a female.

She was thumping, which means she's about to spray, and, uh, you wanna get out of there.

And I, I must have came upon her den is the only thing, and that's why I think she was a female, that she was protecting her young.

Um, anyhow, I...

So that's real fear.

So just thinking about that, why does it feel so random? What do, what do you think that is underneath that?

Yeah, if you could tap into both the feeling and then the actual day-to-day kind of expression of that truth.

Yeah.

So what happens is as children, we know how to play.

So we can get muddy, we can play in the dirt and the mud, and we can do dress up, we can play in the rain.

As children, we know what feels good and what feels bad.

And that's the language of children.

So feeling good and feeling bad.

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