Elizabeth Rimmer

And again, that's why we're so imp- why we've done work with, with Lawcare as well.

Um, you know, shout out to Lawcare and obviously former CEO, um, Elizabeth Rimmer.

And we've had indeed Mark Evans, um, current president of Law Society of England and Wales, who's going to be assuming that role, come onto the, the, the show as well.

It's, it's so important to have these conversations.