Elizabeth Nolan Brown

And so to, to like try and come up with a WWE Jesus because it's convenient now, you know, a MAGA-loving Jesus, you know, [laughs] just, it's just like, it's so, it's so nonsensical and so perfect for 2026.

There was a great article Elizabeth, Elizabeth Nolan Brown at Reason just published talking about how, um, talking about a number of things and the way the internet's changed and things that, in nature, and, and looking at the government as being part of the culprit for why it's all changed.

But what, what really stuck with me was just talking back to a time when people didn't use the internet to try and monetize everything.

Like, people just had fun.

So now that 10 years have passed, what do you think about the near and long-term future for libertarianism? Will the Democratic Party be stuck in identity politics for another decade? Will the Republican Party evolve away from MAGA and Trump? And if so, what will that look like? Catherine, one fun fact that Eric mentions in his letter that I cut out is that Matt and I were not on that podcast.

Instead, it was you and Nick and Elizabeth Nolan Brown.

So since you were on that pod, give us your reflection on the past 10 years and the next 10 years.

I was struck in this question, at least, and certainly in my memory of that time as well, by the fact that like the main thing that has changed is that the Democratic Party is now obsessed with class instead of race or maybe like class and race.

So a couple of thoughts.

You know, as Elizabeth Nolan Brown has written here, like many of these types of policies to incentivize people through fiscal incentives to have more children just don't really

work.

Yeah.