Electronic logging device

All right.

We're going to get into Descartes MacroPoint ELD+.

while adding a second independent tracking signal changes the game, what it means when that signal doesn't match the first, and then also where AI co-workers fit in when the data flags a problem operations still have got to solve.

I'm excited to speak with Andrew here in a moment.

You need to know where your freight is, where your truck is.

But it's also important that you're getting deep data, meaning accurate, continuity of data across the entire shipment, so you know that there are no gaps in tracking.

But there's a key component that I think has been downplayed or ignored over the last several years, which is ELDs being the silver bullet to tracking, to visibility, to fraud protection, and just cutting the drivers out of the equation for successful tracking.

And there's this massive network of millions of drivers that uh are very good drivers that are reliable drivers that are safe drivers that you know, when they're removed from visibility, they don't have the ability to help validate, you know, they're actually getting offloaded or communicating with the customer saying, hey, I'm at the dock, I'm getting offloaded, or I need a pickup number or, you know, taking pictures of lump of receipts or PODs to help, you know, expedite the time to cash.

It's the same thing.

We're all getting better.

Why are crashes going up? and then you know that's where this administration started looking like wait a minute it's one it's not where you hired somebody from it's the fact that you didn't spend very we didn't have a standard for what it meant to to train someone uh there are a lot of ELDs that really weren't being complied with.

And you start putting those factors together, you create an atmosphere for risk.

And so in the last seven, eight months, the regulatory pressure has pulled out an awful lot of capacity.

Yeah.

Pre-ELD days.

Oh, yeah, because I was

in a fight with you with the Trucker Nation with the ELDs.

You

know, we made plus trips from Washington, D.C., and we – And one of those trips is how we named all the products.

What? Not having any oversight

no absolutely and like self-certification is one of those things you and i have had this conversation on this show and elsewhere it at some point someone thought it was a good idea to help obviously keep things moving where they're not getting bottlenecked but now we've seen what happens when everyone's able to self-certify sap providers have been compromised elds have been compromised training has been compromised and now we're in the phase of autonomous vehicles and there's the concern of self-certification there like i think self-certification should just go away i think there should be an independent third party whether it be government or private there should be some sort of independent third party that becomes the check and balance there and i know you and i have had this conversation how close are we to ending self-certification

Well, the ones that you just described is absolutely the SAPs, and you've got entry-level driver training, and then you've got ELDs for sure that is on the radar screen.

So, to give you an example for the SAPs, for the substance abuse providers, the fraud that has been taking place in that particular group and now implementing where we have We know who's coming in.

We have who that person is is acting as a SAP.

But that's stuff that has to be tightened up that we have rule.

We have processes now in place to be able to do that, which we are, to kind of cut down on that fraud that everybody's been talking about.

And then the other two rule changes that have to be made for ELDs and entry-level driver training, which are in the process of stopping.

You guys say they, you know, they followed hours of service.

What's to stop a cyber criminal or a state-sponsored terrorist ring from hacking into our supply chain, finding out where these trucks are moving through their ELDs, finding out when they're stopping, and then going in there and tainting the product unbeknownst to everybody.

And then that gets its way out into the food system.

Then it can kill people, right? It's a very real deal.