Um-

... saying, "Join the Queenager revolution." And what you see, what's so amazing about the Noone circle is just this sense of that we're all in this.

And one of the things we say in the Noone circle is the say yes to joy, and I think that actually following your joy, following doing the things that you love, it are the stepping stones.

You were saying, "How did you set up this business?" Well, I think following those pebbles of the things that really make you happy are the route to a kind of, a, a successful life, a truly successful life-

Mm.

A life that matches on the outside how you feel on the inside.

And I think for a lot of women, that's not the case.

They have a, a, it's one of the things I talk about in the book.

And what, what were your first impressions of him? Do you remember meeting him for the first time?

I can remember Andy getting up from his computer and saying hello, and he had the most incredible eyelashes I've ever seen on a man.

So that became a long j- running joke between us about w- had, had he applied his mascara that morning.

And he was funny.

We used to spend quite a lot of time in the nearby pub in Brentford.

He liked a pint and crisps and very fat sandwiches.

We both kind of graduated out of university into a bit of a recession.

They don't like to see that division.

And what, what were your first impressions of him? Do you remember meeting him for the first time?

I can remember Andy getting up from his computer and saying hello, and he had the most incredible eyelashes I've ever seen on a man.

So that became a long j- running joke between us about w- had, had he applied his mascara that morning.

And he was funny.

We used to spend quite a lot of time in the nearby pub in Brentford.

He liked a pint and crisps and very fat sandwiches.

We both kind of graduated out of university into a bit of a recession.

They don't like to see that division.

Okay, so my first question is what is your number one travel destination and why is it that number one spot?

It would have to be Jamaica.

I just think it's the most beautiful place on earth.

If I close my eyes, I can see sun coming through ginger flowers and tropical forests kind of lit up and in the background, turquoise reefs and kind of, you know, white waves and golden sky.

I mean, I just love Jamaica.

I love the people.

I love the food.

And my last question is, what piece of advice would you give to someone who might be a little bit apprehensive about travelling or going on an adventure? You know, what would you say to them to kind of get them to take that plunge and discover the world? I

Okay.

So I took eight grams of psilocybin, um, and, you know, then I ma- I, a- and everyone was doing that too, so it was a, it was a lot.

And what it did was it kind of, on the last day, they said, um, you know, "Take away, throw away everything you don't, you no longer need in your life," um, and all kind of blow it up.

And I had this sense of completely melting, when I took the mushrooms, I, I had this sense of completely kind of melting into a golden, it was like being, at, at the time, I described it as being, like, in a big bowl of golden cream, and I felt like I'd been recharged by the universe with this kind of golden light.

And what I came out of the trip with was just this really strong sense of the possibility of renewal and reinvention at this point.

And I came out of it with a sense that that was what I wanted to do.

... looked at

... making it illegal.

My CV is usually dismissed by AI with no human ever seeing it." Eleanor.

Yeah, that is really true.

Um, we run a jobs board at Noon, which tries to help, um, women into jobs because they're hitting such problems with the AI.

And we hear so many stories of women sending off hundreds, thousands of, um, of, of applications and not getting through.

But what's interesting is there are some specialist recruiters who, say, for instance, get women back into law, and they often find that women who've been knocked out by the AI, AI algorithm are then-- actually get jobs with the law firms.

That said, there's a, there's a systemic problem here that sometimes the dates on your CV can ma-mean that you're excluded for something which actually you'd be brilliant for.

And I think there's a-- we really need a rethink within our culture about what women particularly are for fifty plus, and we need to see that this is actually a, a real opportunity.

So this is, Eleanor, I think you're saying to the employer, rethink your hiring practices when using AI, as opposed to a way to beat [laughs] beat the AI?