Elaine Howard Ecklund

Um, and so I think help...

I, I think for us and what we were writing about, what Elaine and I were writing about in, uh, Working for Better, was saying, look, we individually, yes, we wanna make sure that we are honest at work.

We wanna make sure that we are doing the right things personally.

But we also wanna make sure that Christians particularly are attuned to the broader community and, and the broader structures and systems at play.

Uh, that's a statement on my part, but I want you and Mark to bounce off it any way you like.

Yeah.

Let me, let me respond to it real quickly, 'cause one of the things that we found, and so I, I'm, I'm reflecting on this, this large scale research project that I, um, conducted with my friend and colleague, Elaine Howard Ecklund, and, um, we interviewed about fifteen thousand people.

We...