El Mundo

and now we know the names of those dissidents and it's wild because one of the targets was gary kasparov now i want you to understand gary kasparov is not a random russian blogger he's not some two-bit uh uh russian you know uh twitter account right he's not even a relatively anonymous billionaire ilya uh ponomarov is is an example of a you know an anti-putin billionaire Garry Kasparov is a major international figure.

Again, now, according to El Mundo that got the documents from the United States, earlier this month, the Department of Justice charged five men for hiring, trying to hire effectively South American cartels to target and then kill Kasparov and Ponomaryov.

Now, reportedly, Kasparov, again, when the assassination, when the American intelligence agencies figured out this was happening, they gave a rumored to have given an increased level of protection to Kasparov.

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The threat, in particular the Russian hybrid threat to Europeans and France, has intensified, he said.

Last week, Denmark's Defense Intelligence Service said Russia may be planning a limited military attack against a NATO country in the coming months, while Spanish newspaper El Mundo reported that the CIA had warned Spain, Italy, and France about possible Russian drone attacks off their territories.

It appears that Russia's kind of testing the waters.

They're sort of trying to see how NATO members will respond to certain provocations.

Our guest today is journalist and author David Jiménez.

He used to be the editor-in-chief of El Mundo, a very relevant newspaper here in Spain, but he's also published in other outlets here and also internationally.

He also has a YouTube channel that you should subscribe to if you want to understand Spain a little bit better.

He's also the author of many books, including El Director, Días Salvajes, and El Corresponsal.

Great to have you here.

Also, by the way, a personal note, this is a very important moment for me.

I used to be an intern in El Mundo, where you were a correspondent in Asia.

So I used to read your dispatches.

E poi c'è il fronte Mediterraneo, con Spagna, Francia e Italia in prima linea.

Secondo diversi organi di informazione, tra cui il Wall Street Journal, Politico e lo spagnolo El Mundo, i servizi di intelligence statunitensi avrebbero raccolto indizi sui nuovi progetti del Cremlino, condividendoli con diversi governi europei.

In questo caso si parla di droni lanciati dal mare da navi mercantili in sosta nel Mediterraneo.

Secondo il governo lituano, il drone che i russi potrebbero utilizzare sarebbe un Gerbera.

Prima di volare in Russia, l'aereo militare su cui viaggiava Ratcliffe ha fatto scalo a Riga, in Lettonia.

Secondo il Wall Street Journal e Politico, Ratcliffe si sarebbe recato in Russia per dissuadere Putin e la sua cerchia da eventuali attacchi ai danni della NATO.

Secondo El Mundo, i governi di Spagna, Francia e Italia sarebbero stati informati del fatto che il Cremlino stesse pensando a una possibile operazione con droni nell'area mediterranea.

A confermare questa lettura il recente attivismo di Emmanuel Macron.

Garry Kasparov is a major international figure.

Uh, again, now according to El Mundo that got the documents, uh, from the United States, uh, earlier this month, the Department of Justice charged five men for hiring, uh, trying to hire, effectively, South American cartels, uh, to target and then kill, uh, Kasparov and, uh, Ponomarev.

Now, reportedly, Kasparov, again, when the assassination, when the American intelligence agencies figured out this was happening, um, they gave a, a r- rumored to have given an increased level of protection to Kasparov, but again, quote, according to, uh, one spokesman, quote, "America was previously considered safe compared to Turkey and the EU and Ukraine.

The Kremlin is now destroying that framework as well, which has been in place since World War II." Right? There was a de facto agreement to say, "Listen, you guys don't kill people on our soil.