So I think it's really important that we understand all the different ways that people organize themselves to seek changes in their conditions, their immediate conditions of work, and also how they see changes in their society around them.

I'd like to add that looking at the past of feminized labor, which is what I've done, part-time, temporary, low-wage, uncovered by labor standards or by collective bargaining, that is often not unionized, gives us a window into the new world of work, the growing precarity.

We are all workers now.

And that Creating a broader notion of what is work and who is a worker puts the quotient aspects of daily life, social reproduction is the fancy term that's bandied about, but the work we have to do in order to wake up and go to work or maybe have some joy in life with those around us is really essential.

And I think the pandemic...

the beginning of the pandemic, in which we realized there was something called essential workers.

They weren't very well treated always, but they were key to making the larger society go, well, how did we get hospital orderlies, child care minders, grocery store farmers? Why did Did care workers of all sorts, why were they undervalued and underpaid and often not even seen as real workers? This is where history is important.

So I'd like to just continue this line of conversation a little bit and ask what questions about the present do you find yourself turning to the history of labor to help you answer or to help you contextualize? What are the things, again, from each of your sort of disciplinary perspectives and focus of your research, do you really tap into to help you understand what's happening in our world today?