So how do we scale what works without turning everything into a clinical intervention? And how do we make this easy enough that universities will

actually do it? We expected that giving students a course about mental health literacy, so teaching them how to identify what is or isn't a disorder and explain what stress is and how to manage stress and where to go to get help if they think their stress is more than normal.

So those are the core parts of it, which relate to what Jane's talking about, I think.

We would expect that that would improve knowledge and improve understanding.

I guess the surprise was it was actually stopping students getting more anxious and depressed over the course of a term, which is great.

So what would help it to roll out? I think we can make it as easy as possible.

And this is sort of to Steve's point earlier, integrate to an existing system.

It's very much a kind of extra add-on to what happens to you whilst you're at university so of course you're navigating through all these various streams of maybe starting from scratch in a brand new place not knowing anyone or maybe staying at home and just coming in but kind of expanding your mindset or having to work so many hours a week in order to pay bills and things we do need to make sure that we're training staff as well as students