Duduzane Zuma

Cool.

Before we turn to Puema Fikizolo and the court case, I hope that they're about to open against Duduzane Zuma.

It's really extraordinary.

SAPS opened registrations for 5,500 trainee posts nationally.

But as I left, uh, my mind was made up.

I made sure that I find the president and tell the president what happened and, uh, to Duduzane.

Then he was just, he was just a member of the PA, the PTT.

So I then informed them, "This is what happened." The president said, "Do your job.

You know your job." Then he left me like that.

Didn't engage further in all that.

Left it at that, including to Duduzane.

So I went, uh, and did my job.

So they're different constituencies, they've got common interests.

The, the question for me on, on MK and I is, is whether young Duduzane Zuma can realize why he is in the position of power that he's in now.

He, he's in that position for only one reason, which is that a, a, a decade, uh, at least, uh, two decades of ANC leaders made counterproductive economic policy decisions that saw the investment rate collapse.

And ANC voters aren't ideological, they're material, as everyone should be.

They're totally normal, therefore, and that crushed the support.

Does he identify that and act on it, or does he just play out as a cliché and double down on the same reasons that the ANC got to 35%, uh, to a point where one day we'll talk about the party that's supplanting Duduzane Zuma? If real-- uh, the world's great reformers, who, who, who were they? Uh, were, were they nice sort of liberal Democrats who, who, who, who, who, you know, studied sociology at UCT or something? They were, uh, Park in Korea, hardliner.

Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore.

Uh, Deng after Mao in China, and, and, and, and Xi after Deng in, in another, uh, interesting way.

But in July of this year, amongst Black registered voters, MKP was at about 26%.

And we think that under Duduzane Zuma, it may reach a point that the MKP may reach parity with the ANC w- amongst the Black registered voters.

But let's say also just thinking beyond that, I am not completely convinced that the death of Jacob Zuma would lead to a decline in MK support, and that's because of how serious it is amongst Black registered, amongst Black conservatives in South Africa.

And, and, and how, the reason why I emphasize this point is that the, when we look at death, it's quite different from how Westerners look at, uh, a person dying.

Sure.

But talking to Duduzani and you – Yes,

I saw him, I remember, at the business

conference.

But I think realistically, the party has implemented some form of succession, or pl- not succession planning, but in terms of building a structure.

So they have deputy president by way of Duduzane Zuma, who's there.

I think they've solidified their leadership structure.

I mean, they haven't had a change in a long time.

He is the Deputy Finance Minister of South Africa.

He's been asked to meet Duduzane Zuma, the president's son, for what he's been told is a private conversation.

Duduzane doesn't stay at the hotel.

He asks Jonas to get in his car.