Duane Vermeulen

Yes, that number eight jersey, that jumper as well, there's still obviously Jasper that are there, but a healthy competition is never a bad thing.

I mean, Not so long ago that jumper belonged to Dwayne from Maryland and we were thinking who's even gonna who even stands a chance to come in and grab this jersey or who's gonna be able to do it and then boom Jasper came through and I mean he's been he's done an amazing amazing job at doing that so yeah yes Yasi has been has been putting on that jumper But we all know when it comes to Springbok jerseys, it's borrowed time, to be honest.

And yes, you want to leave that jersey in a better place.

But also, if this is...

Yeah.

Duane Vermeulen is stealing balls like a flipping-

Mm

... a flipping, I don't know, a 60- a, a 17-year-old, and he's playing against guys that are 26, 20.

[laughs]

Yeah, it would've been tough.

Duane Vermeulen and Jasper Wiese would've been out of job like, uh, quite early in their careers.

[laughs]

You need to work on your body language," because Siya was a guy that could drop his shoulders very quickly, "And I just want you to talk to the referee, and I'll give you the pointers that you need to talk to the referee.

Then the rest of it, you leave to the other guys." Duane Vermeulen would do the motivation.

Handre Pollard would call the shots on what we wanted, the plays we wanted to do.

So he made him just focus on a small area, and from there he grew.