Drew Hutton

Mm-hmm.

And so [laughs] for a party that was actually formed by Bob Brown and, and Drew Hutton for being an environmentalist party, that tells you everything you need to know about where it is now.

And the party is basically...

And I had a former Greens MP on the phone to me yesterday saying just this, the party is now sort of overrun by actual communists.

Meanwhile, there was a fight brewing on the left, where the Greens were emerging as a challenge to Labor.

Queensland Greens founder Drew Hutton in particular saw preference allocation as a way to punish Labor governments in Brisbane and Canberra for poor performance on the environment.

Such threats were made at a federal level, but the Greens came to find that they didn't have much bargaining power under a compulsory preferential voting system, where most of their voters would preference Labor anyway.

But in Queensland, OPV gave the party the option of recommending no preference at all, a much more viable threat.

We held a forum into...

Over 100 people turned up and, um, speakers as disparate as Drew Hutton and Robbie Katter came to, to express their concerns.

So, you know, there's been massive, massive concern about it.

It's really undemocratic, the whole thing, and I think, you know, people are just really, really worried that this could just give private sector companies, you know, all sorts of rights.

I see a lot of people who've got a lot of different views about a lot of things, and they just want to find some kind of common sense.

I keep using that term, but I saw my friend Drew Hutton was talking about common sense from his perspective as a person from the left.

He's championed environmental causes.

I respect him enormously, but he just said this kind of reasonable, that makes sense to me, kind of approach.

And it's great that when you're young, you've got this ideal view that, oh, they must be this, so therefore they're that.

I've never approached people that way.

I've got friends across... all cultures, all religions, all ethnic backgrounds deliberately because I find the common good, which is I think what you're trying to do this weekend, find the common good.

I'd love to find the common good.

New Greens leader David Shoebridge has suggested that the Bondi massacre could have been avoided if we'd listened to Mehreen Faruqi and reached out to the multicultural community.

Can you believe it? Greens co-founder Drew Hutton will be my guest.

And the latest from the UK where there's been a fresh arrest related to the major security incident near an air base this week.

But first, let's take a look at tonight's top stories.

He said, "We should have had a national anti-racism strategy in place ahead of Bondi.

We should have had the funding and the resources to connect with all parts of multicultural Australia, and I want to credit Senator Mehreen Faruqi for leading that charge.

I just wish people listened to her." So the shooting up of Jews on Bondi Beach could have been prevented if we just connected more with multicultural Australia and we'd listened to Mehreen Faruqi? Honestly, wh- [scoffs] where do you start? Joining me now is one of the co-founders of the Greens, Drew Hutton.

Uh, Drew, what do you make of that? I, I, I just find that extraordinary.

Heavens above.

Just look at what Drew Hutton said about her this morning.

Anyway, I digress.

So I think Canada is a good point.

Never heard of her.

But apparently she's a fresh face.

The scary part about it is, for the Greens, who used to care about the environment but have forgotten it, is that one of their founders, Drew Hutton, he was on the program last week.

And Drew is an eminently sensible, loves Australia kind of guy who cares about the environment.

We remember what they did to the co-founder.

Drew Hutton, who came out and spoke about it.

And they expelled him from the party.

Which, again, is a very Stalinist thing to do.