Dragon Gate

Where is it? Well, so he'll stay with Great, but then, like, show up in Big Japan and All Japan and Zero One.

no i don't even necessarily think he needs to stay with great like like i was more thinking like if he wants to like i don't know like pop into like dragon gate as well like i wouldn't want him to become like a guy that is actually assigned to dragon gate

yes

exactly yeah so i would want him to be like a guy that is like like more like toy but like yeah he he comes there regularly and everything and he can still be involved in feuds and all of that but like otherwise he's also like just gonna be like basically on like almost every fucking promotion that wants to book him

Mm-hmm.

yeah i mean i i actually really like this match like i know dq finish and all of that but again i talked about it with alan right like it's not that all japan has no heels it's just that they import their heels and and again i think also that gata dokuro is just much more effective as heels in like all japan and they are in their actual home promotion uh I mean, it also helps that they base it, like, I say Gajadokoro, but really it's just, it's Kikuta, Kato, and Isshin.

Like, the other scammers, like, all Japan is like, hey, you can stay over in, like, Dragon Gate.

Like, we want the free guys that we actually like.

Where is it? Well, so he'll stay with Great, but then like show up in Big Japan and All Japan and Zero One.

no i don't even necessarily think he needs to stay with great like like i was more thinking like if he wants to like i don't know like pop into like dragon gate as well like i wouldn't want him to become like a guy that is actually assigned to dragon

gate

exactly yeah so i would want him to be like a guy that is like like more like toy but like yeah he he comes there regularly and everything and he can still be involved in feuds and all of that But, like, otherwise, he's also, like, just going to be, like, basically on, like, almost every fucking promotion that wants to book him.

Like, I know DQ finished and all of that, but again, I talked about it with Alan, right? Like, it's not that all Japan has no heals, it's just that they import their heals.

And again, I think also that Gajadokuro is just much more effective as heals in, like, all Japan, and they are...

in their actual home promotion uh i mean it also helps that they base it like i say gajadokuro but really it's just it's kikuta kato and ishin like the other the other scammers like all japan is like you can stay and over and like dragon gate like we we want the free guys that we actually like and again like because all japan fans never like see like heels cheating like this was actually over Like, people were actually fucking outraged at, like, how dare, like, how dare these, like, outsiders as well, like, come in and, like, mess with our boys.

And, yeah, this was super over.

Because, uh, I think when I first, John Moxley is one of the first guys that I can really think of.

I got into the Indies in like 2008, 2009, and that's not his beginning of his career, but that's kind of, uh, I first saw him in CCW and then, uh, Dragon Gate USA was like a major promotion for me.

I was at the first show and it was just like, that was a major gateway into more of the Indies for me.

And, um, So Moxley is one of the guys that I feel like I've really seen his whole career, right? He's one of the first guys that I really can feel that with.

when gabe started using him he was using him mostly as a promo guy right like he had him join um kamikaze usa and it was really the promos which was what he he was being utilized for and had him feel like he couldn't name a promotion feel like he couldn't name a staple kamikaze

usa anymore

sure sure but the uh it helps that it was a uh a dragon gate promotion uh stable first.

And then they just brought it here, but you're, you're still probably right.

I only watched maybe four matches this week, and they all four were fucking awesome.

I watched the Necro match, those two matches, and then I watched the main event of Dragon Gate from October 10th.

It was Love and Peace.

Versus, oh, I don't know how to say this team name.

And then Love and Peace's Hayo, Jackie Kamei, and Rita.

Um...

I'm gonna be pushing for Jackie again when we do the year-end show if I keep watching Dragon Gate.

He's so fucking good.

Man, you know what? I don't think I've ever seen Don Fuji in a match.

My Dragon Gate watching is so low that I don't think I've ever watched him.

And I see him here and it's like, wow, this is great.

He is doing all his chain wrestling and Conan is also there.

Yes.

So, so like it's, I know that for those who did not listen to our previous long form historical series, Rewind and Rewatch the History of Dragon Gate USA, like it ended up being 50 episodes because or 52 episodes because it was 50 shows.

Then our wrap up episode and then the Davy Chronicles.

Yes, the Davey Chronicles, which you can listen to on this podcast feed, which for those that don't know what that is, that is a super cut of every Davey Richards news item we discussed during the Dragon USA Rewind and Rewatch series, including his contract dispute with Dragon USA and his eventual departure from the promotion and the Iowa heist incident where he and Tony Kazina and Kyle O'Reilly robbed a local promoter, among other things in the Davey Chronicles.

This would have aired on Samurai TV, which again, throughout the rest of the series, you're going to notice an increase in footage, not only in the amount of shows that we get, but what is seen on those shows, which especially comes into play with the first show of 1997.

But we get this Michinoku Pro Battle Arts collab show.

This is on December... 26th 1997 and mike this sort of had the energy of a modern day japanese produce show or like a gate of nostalgia dragon gate show gate of me

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