Douglas Conant

And, and as you say, I mean, there's a, there's an elite group or a select group of companies who do this well.

It reminds me of the conversation I had with Doug Conant, the former CEO of Campbell Soup Company, who engineered-

Mm-hmm

... one of the most remarkable turnarounds in engagement, and he talks about the power of the and.

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this pendulum swing, and what I really appreciate and had the p- privilege of speaking with Doug Conant, the former CEO of Campbell Soup, one of the top-

Yep, yeah

... highly respected C- CEOs of all time, talks about the power of the and.