Hmm

...

they have a history of slowly, steadily knocking down the, the issues that block them from being, you know, really successful.

And, and, you know, behind that is, um, a mentality that I actually find to be very, you know, American style.

[laughs] Uh, you know, the Poletti's are entrepreneurs, and they have worked seven days a week for 20-plus years to make the race a success.

In fact, one of the most memorable comments I had that I remember was probably 10 years ago talking to Catherine Poletti, talking to both Catherine and Michelle, and Catherine said, "Look, races have come and gone from the pinnacle of trail racing." And this was at a time when it was races like, you know, Templier and Diagonal de Fou if you were French.

Um, and they noticed that, and they saw why those races were disappearing from the pinnacle, and they very consciously made an effort to stay at the top.

Mm

I feel very good about it, but

you know, like...

Well, I'm laughing because I once wrote a piece for the old Trailrunner magazine about exactly that.

And it was about the day after UTMB.

It was about the Monday morning and...

I always feel like that day in Chamonix, if you were teleported in and dropped in, you know, right in the middle of town by La Poste, the post office, and you're walking around, you would think, like, what...

What just happened here? Was this it was either either there was a war or a rave or maybe both? You know, people are sort of stumbling around with bags.

And I'm curious about what those are and what you see, because we've been talking about sort of worries and so far they haven't really transpired.

Why are we seeing this increase in exploitability? And why is it all of a sudden seem like it's just this dominant problem that we're seeing? Is it just AIs here deal with

it? No, I don't think it's AIs here deal with it, but it's AIs here deal with it much quicker now.

Yeah, so open source has always been around.

Open source does have a little bit of a lag when it comes to remediating vulnerabilities.

So having open source security helps enable, first of all, one, developers don't have to rebuild something they can borrow, and that's the whole value of open source.

But number two, you can at least have some level of confidence that multiple people have used it, addressed it.

Some people actually adapt it, but at least the source is very reputable.

But the build process is all automated.