Doug, why don't you take this one?

Yeah, so phone banking is an interesting example because the postcarding is more passive.

The two biggest things we do is phone banking and postcarding.

I want to start, though, with saying that one of our core values is the person-to-person relationship.

Communication with voters and our particular specialty is get out the vote or motivating people, facilitating their ability to vote.

You know, do you vote by mail? Do you know where do I get my how do I return my ballots and all that saying and encouraging them to do that? And so the postcarding is the easiest thing in some ways for many people to do.

It doesn't require that you actually talk to people or you know a lot about the issues or at least the thread of that.

And like retroactively, how do you know that that effort has paid off?