Donald Kinder

that this is not borne out for the vast majority of voters.

So you wrote a book with Donald Kinder called Neither Liberal Nor Conservative.

Another book I had read earlier is Democracy for Realists by Christopher Aitken and Larry Bartels, which looking at the data differently, they're looking at slightly different things, but have a similar view of what is happening in elections.

And What you found is, you and Professor Kinder, was that looking at this data in many different ways, different cuts through all the decades that the data has been kept, really does reinforce a famous thesis by Philip Converse in the early 1960s that the American public, at least most of it, is ideologically innocent.

They don't have enough political information or interest, really, in order to have consistent left-right political ideologies.

Now, I want to get to the question of, therefore, because the dominant news frame in political coverage in the Wisconsin governor's primary was that voters were choosing between democratic socialism and democratic moderates, and that one might be more appealing to a general electorate than another, which assumes certain ideological predispositions among the public that you have explained that the 75, 80 years of opinion, deep opinion research does not verify.

But there's another level that you considered in the book with Donald Kinder.

This is the book, neither liberal nor conservative.