Don Lattin

And I'm sure we'll get into it.

But later on, both Tom and Bill were going out there to meet with Heard and to do the work that was mentioned in Don Lattin's book, which is the LSD.

Yeah, let's dive into that.

So these two guys experimented with LSD and so did Bill Wilson.

And the purpose of these podcasts, as you probably know by now, is an attempt to go deeper into the history, the psychology, and most importantly, the spirituality that underlies 12-step recovery.

And my guest today is Don Lattin, and he's actually going to, I think, touch on all three of these areas in his book.

It's titled Distilled Spirits, Getting High, Then Sober, with a famous writer, a forgotten philosopher, and a hopeless drunk.

For 20 years, Don was the religion reporter for the San Francisco Examiner and for the Chronicle.