Yeah.

And, you know, I show interest in a person, and now am I gonna get turned in, uh, you know, to the, uh, HR people because of that? So, uh, I think that has cut down on some of that.

Uh, we don't have the, the community connections that we used to have, um, y- uh, because people move around a lot and so on.

Um, so I think the dating apps serve a purpose, but they don't do what they, what we think they're gonna do.

Here's the question I always ask couples when I meet them in my office, is tell me, when they tell me they met on- online, "Tell me what it was like the first time you laid eyes on each other."

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... and how do people respond to those little micro opportunities? Do they turn toward them? Do they pay attention? Do they turn toward them with some enthusiasm? "Oh, yeah, that is a cool boat.

Why don't we go get one?" You know, so, you know, or do they just move on to the next thing? And there is a, a, a physiological reaction to the way persons respond to our bids.

So what's the most important thing to do or that you've told your patients when they first meet, how they interact?

Notice their bids.

Okay, here's the thing.

Bid, B-I-D. It's a simple concept, but it was hard to ferret this out scientifically.

It happened here at University of Washington.

So what they did was put people in an apartment watching for 24 hours.

These were already couples.

How do men and women receive information differently when we first meet? What would be the best approach? And not to say the game is prepared, but what would women like to hear more when we first encounter them versus men?